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Pete Fierle, Manager - Digital Media/Communications
Pete's familiarity with the game's history is a result of spending two decades working in the Hall's archives surrounded by the world's largest collection of pro football information. His many duties include overseeing the Hall's website as well as the day-to-day operation of the Archives & Information Center.

Disappointment softened by the facts Thursday, February 09, 2012

A new "For Pete's Sake" blog appears each Thursday on Profootballhof.com.

I start this week’s blog by stating, like I have done many times before, that the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s selection process is one of the best, if not the best, among sports halls of fame. The main reason is that it’s nearly year-round and has several stages in the vetting process to get to the new class of enshrinees. The final step, of course, is the face-to-face meeting that our Selection Committee engages in on the day before the Super Bowl.

This is the time of year that the process is under heavy scrutiny. That’s mostly due to the fact that there are many unhappy fans and dissatisfied members of the media who are disappointed that “their” candidate didn’t get elected. Not surprisingly, our Selection Committee comes under attack. I can assure you, being much closer to the process than most, that our committee is comprised of some of the most dedicated individuals in the industry. In addition, our selectors represent a tremendous amount of knowledge gained from years and years of covering the NFL. The amount of preparation that is put into selecting a new class of Pro Football Hall of Fame enshrinees would probably surprise many of you. Our selectors study each candidate thoroughly. It is also very common for most of them to solicit evaluations and opinions from a wide cross-section of the football world ranging from personnel people, scouts, other players, coaches and so on.

Now on to the real topic of this week’s blog. No one can argue that the six-man Class of 2012 – Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, and Willie Roaf – are not deserving of the honor bestowed them last Saturday. I offer my congratulations to a great new class of enshrinees. Furthermore, no one can argue that the great players, coach, and owner who did not make the cut, do not deserve it either. All 17 finalists for this year’s class have left their mark on the NFL. Unfortunately, this is the tough part of the process as we see finalists not elected.

Hall of Fame quarterback Dan Fouts was one of the hosts of our Announcement Show on NFL Network from the Super Bowl Media Center in Indianapolis. He made a very poignant remark about those who did not make the cutdown.


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“Do not get disappointed. Do not give up,” is the advice he gave to Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Kevin Greene, Charles Haley, Bill Parcells, Andre Reed, Will Shields, Dick Stanfel, and Aeneas Williams.

Fouts is right. The fact is that once someone “gets in the room” (i.e. – becomes a finalist and therefore is openly and thoroughly discussed and evaluated during the annual meeting), the odds of making the Hall of Fame are heavily in their favor.

Here are the hard, cold facts. Since 1970, when the Hall of Fame selection process began cutting down to a group of finalists, there are been a total of 258 players, coaches, and contributors who have been finalists. The vast majority, 214, ultimately were elected to the Hall of Fame.

That means 83% of all finalists eventually are enshrined into the Hall. There’s even better news for most of this year’s finalists who didn’t make it. The percentage jumps to 89% for those who are finalists more than once.

So, yes, there’s much disappointment for many after last Saturday’s vote but the truth is that it really becomes an issue of “when” not “if.”



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  • Rocke Sweaney - February 13 2012 08:57 PM

    Kyle, Shawn, and Jared. I agree 100% with all three of you. I live in Canton, real close to the Hall, and I could not agree anymore with you. But Pete, I hope you read this, bachslunch is 100% spot on when it comes to Dick Stanfel. Any of those selectors with their so-called "tremendous amount of knowledge" that voted NO to Dick Stanfel, is in MY opinion, a COMPLETE MORON. Five time, 1st team ALL-PRO and ALL DECADE and he gets turned down. I wish you would get one of the voters to explain on this website, exactly what the thought process was in that room to come up with the decision that Dick is NOT Hall of Fame worthy.

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  • Mark Pinheiro - February 12 2012 09:08 AM

    It is time for the hall to put some of the older players who made this league what it is today into the hall. Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson and Ken Stabler are just a few. I hope the Senior committee are thinking right in 2013.

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  • Lucas Szczesniak - February 11 2012 03:26 PM

    Hey Pete its Lucas (Bob Wagner's son=in-law) when the heck is Andre Reed getting in. Your blog is great and the time spent at the hall a couple of years ago was amazing and memorable. Hope all is well with your family and Missy and I hope to see you guys in the summer at Laura and Bob's cottage. When I heard who the inductees were I exclaimed "wht the heck is kennedy, martin, and doleman getting in ahead of reed and even brown and chris carter + each of who have over a thousand career catches. Until this year I thought that Reed was held out because he didn't have 1,000 receptions now i don't know wht to think. John Clayton was hoping to have all three of the receivers in this year. Next year is even tougher for Andre. Have a good one.

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  • Roy - February 10 2012 12:08 PM

    I agree totally with Kyle. It is indefensible that Cris Carter was not selected when you compare his statistics to other wide receivers in the HOF (e.g. Irvin). The selection process is a joke and the committee needs to be expanded to include an equal number of football coaches/players (maybe those already elected to the HOF). Try and defend the fact that Cris Carter was not selected but you can't because there is no excuse. The same goes for Jerry Kramer's exclusion. The HOF has lost all credibility!

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  • Adrian Stewart - February 09 2012 03:46 PM

    i am disapointed that raiders dave grayson, raymond chester and lester (the molester) hayes keep getting ignored by the hall. the goop was legal when lester played(and fred balitnikof made the hall using it) and even then it did not have any influence in his ball hawking style of play. dave grayson was the premire safety of his era.raymond chester leads dave casper in all statisics but yards where he is only 474 behind dave casper is there truly anti raider prejudice?

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  • bachslunch - February 09 2012 02:58 PM

    The advice to "not get disappointed" and "not give up" is indeed good for all but one of the candidates. The modern-era folks will likely get several more chances, and they'll probably all get in sooner or later. But that's not likely going to be the case for Dick Stanfel. He has been a Senior candidate twice and failed twice. I seriously doubt that he'll ever have another shot again, and even if he miraculously does, his being a two-time loser will kill his case. If I were an 84-year-old Stanfel, I'd be pretty darned well lacking in hope and wondering why this occurred. Hopefully he's a philosophical sort about this kind of stuff. Personally, I think it's an utter travesty that Stanfel was denied -- especially when players like Emmitt Thomas, Dick LeBeau, and Floyd Little have gotten in via the Senior route. Will be glad to explain why on request if I don't repost with detailed thoughts, which I might. And for those who think Jerry Kramer will fare any better if he ever gets nominated in future, think again. Both players have nearly identical postseason honor profiles playing the same position, with Kramer having actually gone to two fewer pro bowls than Stanfel. Both were five-time 1st team all pros and are on their respective all-decade teams.

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  • Jared - February 09 2012 01:37 PM

    I agree with Shawn and Kyle, especially Shawn. Why is Jerry Kramer still waiting? His omission destroys the credibility of the Hall. The same thing goes, to a lesser extent, for Cris Carter. Wake up, guys!

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  • Shawn - February 09 2012 12:20 PM

    So what's the excuse for Jerry Kramer not being in yet? Ten time finalist, five time all pro, and the only member of the NFL's 50th Anniversary Team not inducted.

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  • Kyle - February 09 2012 11:51 AM

    MICHAEL IRVIN 159 games played 750 receptions (29th all-time) 11,904 receiving yards (20th all-time) 65 touchdowns (45th all-time) 3 Super Bowl rings In the Hall of Fame CRIS CARTER 234 games played 1,101 receptions (4th all-time) 13,899 receiving yards (8th all-time) 130 touchdowns (4th all-time) 0 Super Bowl rings NOT in the Hall of Fame Does that seem right? And don't say it's about Super Bowl rings. This year's inductions combine for a total of ZERO Super Bowl rings. It's an individual induction, so it should be about individual achievements.

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