How does Tim Brown who has never won a super bowl get nominated before Cliff Branch? Cliff Branch won 3 super bowls and scored a touchdown in every one. Gook luck to all the finalists.
Chris, you need to get your facts straight about Tom Flores -- and unfortunately for him, his 97-87 W-L record just isn't HoF worthy, 2 SB wins or not. George Seifert also has 2 SB wins and a 114-62 W-L record, and that's a better HoF argument -- if in fact he even belongs in since his career is pretty short, as is Flores's. Bob, Clay Matthews has a postseason profile of 1/4/none while Kevin Greene's is better at 3/5/90s -- Greene has a decidedly stronger HoF argument. Folks, players like Stabler and Nobis and Russell are only Senior-eligible, not via the regular candidate route. James, I also think Cliff Branch belongs in the HoF, but he's only Senior-eligible now while Tim Brown is a regularly-eligible candidate -- Brown should get in a couple years from now. DolfY, John Taylor? Really? Terrell Davis probably hasn't been a finalist yet because his career was extremely short, though I'd bet he'll be elected after a really long wait (post-60s short career players don't often get elected, but Davis's huge peak might make a difference). PembertonH, agreed that Gary Naderson should be a HoF-er, but so should Morten Andersen -- hopefully, they'll both be elected eventually. Tom, agree that Lemar Parrish belongs in, but am amazed you didn't mention Ken Anderson, the other Bengal I think should be in -- not so sold on Krumrie, Esiason, Riley, etc.
what about Ken Riley Lamar Parish Tim Krumrie Boomet Esiason,No love for small market team in Cincy,Even throw in Issac Curtis Blair Busch
Roger Craig? You bet he should be in. Should have been in a while back if you look at what he did on the field to contribute to the game overall. I think Strahan, Brooks, and Walter Jones are the closest I would say to locks this year.
Adrian Peterson has more rushing yards and yes the guy is a very good runner. He'll likely get in if he keeps his current pace up. People seem to forget that Roger Craig was the first 1000/1000 RB on a team where a lot balls went to Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Brent Jones and some to Tom Rathman. He played in an era where an rb had a lot more duties on the field as opposed to today's game. Craig deserves credit for his accomplishments in the receiving game. Denying that is ignorant. Peterson while very talented as a runner, is not as complete a back as Craig in his young career but I think he'll get there. He's got plenty of time. Andre Reed and Tim Brown both deserves busts in Canton IMO.
Also, if you're gonna talk about Warrick Dunn, then you better put Tiki Barber in the same sentence. Roger Craig paved the way for these two guys as well as HOFer Marshall Faulk. I'd put Sterling Sharpe in there too. What he did in his career is HOF worthy regardless of it being cut short. Perhaps the HOF might also take another look at what Alex Karras did on the field and give him a posthumous entry into Canton.
Place kicker Gary Anderson retired in 2005 with 2,434 career points. At the time of Anderson's retirement, he was the NFL's All-Time Leading Scorer (ahead of Morten Andersen) and never missed a game through an amazing 353 games (that was more games played than any other player ever).
This 4-time Pro Bowl veteran wore an old school one-bar facemask throughout a 23 season career playing for the Steelers, Eagles, Forty-Niners, Vikings and Titans.
He was selected to the NFL's 1980s All-Decade Team and 1990s All-Decade Team, and to the Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Team.
Kicker Gary Anderson has earned NFL fan respect and deserves to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Although not a Raiders fan and more a student of the game at the time Ray Guy played the game, it is unbelievable that the voters have overlooked him and his contributions to the game. Ray Guy made special teams relevant in a time when they were manned with players from the bottom of the depth chart. Some notables include:
Drafted number 1, One of the first 25 players selected.
High career average. In addition to the length of his kicks, what is overlooked was the long hang times of the punts.
Guy forced opponents to account for him. Never seen previously.
Only a punter? My only thought as to why he has been overlooked. Or could it be the Al Davis component? No Stabler, Branch or Brown either.
I hope Charles Haley gets into the NFL hall of fame as a San Francisco 49er!!! That would be sweet!!!
As said before the BUS Jerome Bettis definitely belongs in Canton. He has the 5th highest total of all the running backs already in Canton. So lets do the right thing and drive The Bus to Canton this year.
As to the selection process and who's in or out, Chris Carter (who surely deserved first ballot entry) put it well when he said he did not mind waiting - especially now that he was in. There are no bad players enshrined and none that get in this year will be undeserving. Could the process be improved? Yes. Term limits on the voters as well as passing rigorous tests to become one about the history of Hall and the players in it. Defined critera around non-football concerns such as how a player conducted himself on and off the field, as well as after retirement, should have an impact. More voters from the Hall itself. Strict mechanisms to prohibit deal-making between voters. Enshrinement should be on merit, as clearly defined, with full transparency. Televise the voting. Even then there will be dispute.
It stuns me how some players get right in while others who are equally or even more deserving get passed up. It's like the voters have ADHD. So if you don't get in first ballot,you have to wait years to get in because...hey look,new players to vote on...forget about those old ones! The best example to me is the Art Monk debacle. The fact that he had to wait so long to get inducted was an absolute embarassment to the league in my opinion and showed exactly how inept the committee was at actually getting it right.
And while I'm biased since he's one of my favorite players ever,Roger Craig definitely should be in the hall of fame. It's a travesty that he's not. It seems that voters get caught up in stats and while that is the biggest factor in determining hall of fame worthiness,it should not be the only one as a player can have a huge impact without filling up his stat sheet. Roger Craig's stats may not be monstrous,but they are pretty good and like someone else said,there were a lot of mouths to feed on those teams so he didn't get as much volume as he could have. Roger Craig was an integral part of those 80s 49ers teams and they would not have won as much if he weren't on the team. And everyone seems to forget that 3 td game he had in super bowl 19. Not many players who have done that.
Also Ray Guy,Andre Reed,Tim Brown,Charles Haley,and Kevin Greene should have been in long,long ago. Seeing these guys left out year after year when they are more than HOF worthy is very frustrating.
Kevin Greene should not get in before Clay Matthews. Ray Guy deserves to be in, along with Andre Reed & Claude Humphrey.
The Bus is overdue in Canton. Not only are his stats unimpeachable, he made others around him better and conducted himself as a leader and Hall of Famer should - on and of the field.
Can't keep Walter Jones out - too good.
Brett Favre gave the sack record to Strahan just like the 46 voters will let him in. Good player but Humphries was better and look how long he's waited.
Brooks did dominate in his era and was like the bus a great leader.
Haley deserves it.
morton anderson should be a shoe in who dat
Tom Flores did a really good job with Seattle and QB Dave Kreig. Didn't he get them to a AFC Title game? Any way someone must have a lot of pull for Claude Humphrey? The Seniors only get two to vote on and he was denied a few years ago. With great players like Johnny Robinson and tons of great Wr's it's shame to waste time. Get him done with and move on.
although Roger Craig was an exceptional player, there is a running back by the name of Warrick Dunn, whose record is more deserving than Craig. Using the Supper Bowl as the main yardstick for supporting a player for enshrinement then Timmy Smith should be shoe in. Sadly there are players who will not receive the recognition based on the team which they played for. Adrian Peterson maybe one of them. In his short career including injuries, he blows Roger Craig out of the water. Will you say that he is as deserving as Roger Craig when he becomes eligible?
Every year I wonder, why does the HOF keep bypassing Ken Stabler? His stats stand on there own. Super Bowl winner, just a winner period! It is hard to watch players going in each year that probably shouldn't even be in the Hall, let alone ahead of Stabler. I visited the Hall 3 years ago and loved it. But I am still confused about the selection process. There are many other looked over players. My son and I counted at least 12 modern players that should not be there and at least 12 older players the have been over looked. Disappointing......
In addition, Flores won with alot of guys that other coaches would've simply gotten rid of because of their "unique" personalities. Ted Hendricks, John Matuzak, Lyle Alzado, Lester Hayes, Todd Christensen, Jim Plunkett (not a personality but it was though that his best days were wasted on horrible Pats teams of the 70s). Marcus Allen said it perfectly once, "being a head coach is about much more than just X's and O's...It's about managing people".
I'd also love to see Christensen get a chance for HOF induction, as he was definitely worthy
fisherworks, you need to get your facts straight about Flores. The Raiders teams he won Super Bowls with in the early 80s were NOT the teams Madden dominated the 70s with--Stabler was gone (Houston), Biletnikoff was gone (retired), Casper was gone (Houston Oilers), Tatum was gone (via trade) Atkinson was gone (retired), etc. And the Raiders hadn't even made the playoffs in '78 or '79. Flores took over a transitioning squad that was thought by many to finish behind the high flying Air Coryell Chargers, the Seahawks and the Broncos in the early 80s. Yet Flores won 2 SB's and they were arguably the best team in the AFC in the strike-shortened '82 season at 8-1 (blew a very winnable playoff game to the Jets at home). Flores was also a longtime assistant head coach with Oakland before getting the head job--he should've been in long ago
To Heck- I think Flores should receive some consideration but he's no where near Dungy's league. Dungy salvaged and re-made a sad franchise in the Buccaneers into super bowl contenders, something other coaches were unable to do. He then took over a Colts team that was up and coming and made them a force in the AFC.
Yes, Flores won two super bowls, but keep in mind that he inherited most of the great Raiders from John Madden, the exceptions are Marcus Allen and Howie Long, but he didn't draft them, Davis did. It was Madden's team that Flores used, and used successfully, which is why he should get consideration. But Dungy did that and more, he built a team up from nothing and took over a good team and made them great.
Not to be a stickler to detail but check your facts. Branch did win 3 super bowls with the Raiders but he didn't score in all three super bowls. In Super Bowl XI the only touchdown pass that Stabler threw was not to Branch but to Casper. Tim Brown is a finalist not because of super bowl trophies or super bowl touchdowns, other John Taylor and Rickey Watters would be hall of fame. He's a finalist because throughout his career he ranks as one of the best and most consistant receivers the game ever saw.
Hopefully the "Bus" stops in canton this summer.
In terms of "strength of class" this is not a strong class considering there are no QB's or huge name, definite first year ballot guys. This is a real good opportunity for the players who always seem to make the final 15 but never get over the hump to finally get in. Going by that statement I hope that the following 7 guys get in:
They are all deserving players and this is their best chance. Good Luck!
What is it going to take to get Tommy Nobis into the Hall of Fame? He played with the Falcons in their early days when things were not pretty, but his performance was the one bright spot for Falcon fans throughout his career. You don't put teams in the Hall, you put outstanding players. He was equal to or better than Dick Butkus and running backs have said they avoided Nobis whenever possible. I think it's time for Nobis to be considered for his performance, not Atlanta's.
Should be TOM not Tony nominated to HOF. TOM FLORES should of been in long ago. Tony gets accolades for being the 1st African-American to win the super bowl? That's it? Where's Tom's, the 1st Mexican-American to win it twice as a coach decades before! Voters should be ashamed for turning a blind eye & not honoring him. He's still alive, don't deprive him of what's due.
East Coast Bias, get real...check the names of the players and the cities where they played. 10 of them didn't play on the East Coast, played from Indy to the West Coast.
Where's Terrell Davis, why sin' he on there
Where's Andy Russell??
I hope Eddie DiBartolo does not get in such a waste of a vote.
One again no love for one of the most successful franchises of the Super Bowl era, The Denver Broncos. FIrst it was Gradishar getting snubbed over and over. Now TD, A****er and Mecklenberg. This is ridiculous East coast Bias.
When are we going to look at John Taylor . Jerry Rice would not be the greatest without Taylor , or have those championships.
John Taylor? Andre Reed and Tim Brown can't even get in the Hall of Fame. John Taylor was a nice complementary player on some great 49er teams, but he's not a hall of famer. Hell, the 49ers haven't even put them in their own hall of fame.
What about roger Craig come people!!!!
Congratulations Andre!!! Never forget that to get this far in the process is an honor in itself. Know that we're pulling for you!!! Thanks for all the great memories; what you did helped make life more bearable for a lot of people, blue collar, hard-working people, and servicemen and women like me. You gave us joy and hope. Whatever those sportswriters think of you, know that to us, you are the greatest receiver ever. You beat the snow and the winds of the great white north, and gave your fans pride. Thanks again!
Where's Roger Craig??
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