Jerry Kramer, Jim Plunkett, and Gino Cappelletti are now only senior eligible. And while I can get behind Kramer for the HoF, am not sold on the other two. Plunkett's regular-season stats are awful, and his two SB wins just don't make up the difference. Cappelletti's career is fairly brief, his WR numbers are at good level (definitely not as good as Art Powell, Lionel Taylor, or Charlie Hennigan, for three), and he was a solid if not top-notch kicker (don't see an argument that makes him as good as either Jim Turner or HoF-er George Blanda) -- and comparing him to Paul Hornung does him no favors, as Hornung doesn't have a good HoF argument. Hornung, Lynn Swann, and Wayne Millner are arguably the worst players in the HoF.
What about QB Jim Plunkett, 2 Superbowls and Superbowl MVP. Why isn't he considered for the HOF
Geno Cappelletti. The Paul Hornung of the AFL (even though he was a wide receiver and a kicker, not a running back and kicker). A five time AFL all-star. Geno Cappelletti should have been in the Hall of Fame years and years ago; and I will keep writing this until the sports writers of America put aside their jealousies and envy of Jerry Kramer: Jerry Kramer, author of perhaps the finest book ever written on professional football, "Instant Replay," should be in the Hall of Fame. Kramer's blocking helped put Starr, Taylor and Hornung into the Hall of Fame. Kramer's blocking greatly contributed to perhaps the definitive play in 1960's era football: the Green Bay power sweep. Kramer's blocking inspired Vince Lombardi to coin a definitive phrase in the football lexicon: "run to daylight." Kramer was a several time ALL Star and All Pro. He started and played on five NFL championship teams in seven years. Vince Lombardi, the greatest coach in the modern football era, called him the finest guard in the NFL. The Hall of Fame committee agreed and named Kramer not only on the ALL 1960's squad, but as the starting guard on the All Time NFL 50 year team. Kramer (even though he probably jumped off side and had a big assist from center Ken Bowman) threw the most iconic block in NFL history against Jethro Pugh in the 1967 NFL championship game (the Ice Bowl) to win the championship against the Cowboys in the last sixteen seconds of the game. Kramer has been in the final fifteen of Hall of Fame candidates several times. Each time he has been rejected. Why? The sportswriters of America are envious of his success as a writer. How can the man the Hall of Fame committee concluded was the finest guard in the first fifty years of the NFL NOT be in the Hall of Fame????? Additionally, in 1962 Kramer's kicking helped propel the Packers to a 13-1 season and a 16-7 victory in the championship game against the Giants. The '62 Packers were perhaps the best team in NFL history (certainly would have beaten the '72 Dolphins - and beaten them badly) and Kramer is not in the Hall? And yet Dave Robinson, Kramer's teammate, with less accomplishments at his position, is in the Hall of Fame? How has this happened? Dave Robinson has political connections with the powers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame selection process must be reformed.
Where is Jerry Kramer? He is more deserving of HOF recognition than at least half of the O-Linemen and many others who have ever been selected. This injustice to an absolutely fantastic athlete and man has made the NFL HOF the worst such organization in all of sports. I for one will boycott any HOF events and merchandise until #64, Lombardi's top guard, get the recognition he is due. Please join me.
More stuff. Folks: Kevin Greene, Tim Brown, Charles Haley, Jerome Bettis, Tony Dungy, and Will Shields are getting elected soon enough -- my guess is Bettis, Shields, and Haley next year (along with Seau and Harrison) and Brown, Dungy, and Greene the year after that. Patience, please -- nobody on this list is in any danger of dropping to the Senior pool. Agreed with the sentiments that neither Haley nor Bettis would be elite HoF-ers when elected, but they won't be the worst such folks in either. And sorry, but "rings" don't matter in HoF arguments except for HotVG QBs, otherwise 4-ring guys like Rocky Bleier would already be in. Agreed, there are scads of Senior-eligible only players who belong in (including the already mentioned Drew Pearson, Eddie Meador, Jerry Kramer, Johnny Robinson, Jim Tyrer, L.C. Greenwood, Cliff Harris, Bobby Boyd, Dave Grayson, Chuck Howley, Robert Brazile, Dick Stanfel, Cliff Branch, Mac Speedie, Del Shofner, Jimmy Patton, Walt Sweeney, John Niland, Randy Gradishar, and Joe Fortunato), but at the rate of two per year, it'll take forever just to get these guys in, never mind Duke Slater, Lavvie Dilweg, Verne Lewellen, Ox Emerson, Riley Matheson, Al Wistert, Duane Putnam, Ed Budde, Dick Barwegan, Dick Schafrath, Jerry Smith, Pete Retzlaff, Billy Howton, Billy Wilson, Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, Gene Brito, Abe Woodson, Maxie Baughan, Larry Grantham, Bobby Dillon, Kenny Easley, and Lemar Parrish. Not, however, a big fan of long-career DBs with lean postseason honors (even with lots of INTs) for the HoF such as Riley, Fischer, Brown, or Tatum. Agreed that while Lee Roy Jordan and Tommy Nobis have decent HoF arguments, I'd like to see more OLBs from the time elected first. Also, getting in the deserving modern-era players now before they fall into the Senior pool seems wise -- otherwise, it makes the Senior backlog worse. Deena, agreed that Randy Gradishar should be in, but the most deserving Bronco snubs otherwise are regularly-eligible candidates (Mecklenburg, Atawater, maybe Terrell Davis if you like short-career guys) -- Lionel Taylor and Tombstone Jackson are the closest to Senior Broncos with any kind of case. And neither Kurt Warner nor Junior Seau are eligible until next year. 60s Fan, while I support Eddie Meador for the HoF, he's not the only DB from the 1960's All-Decade Team still not in the HOF -- Bobby Boyd isn't in, either, and I think should be. PembertonH, agreed that Gary Anderson belongs in, but so does Nick Lowery -- hopefully Morton Andersen makes in sooner or later, and with any luck the others will follow. jim welker, Gary Collins has lots of competition among Senior WRs, and you need to period adjust when comparing his numbers to WRs from other eras.
Lots to address here and will start with the Ray Guy vs. other punters issue. I support Guy for the HoF (solid argument that he's the best of his time and has the 6 1st team all-pro, 7 pro bowl, and 70s all-decade team selections to back it up), but he's not the only punter with a worthy argument. Jerrel Wilson certainly belongs in the conversation, and I'd plead especially for Tommy Davis (also a solid PK who was deadly accurate on XPTs) and Verne Lewellen (also a highly regarded back, played in 20s-30s). There's also guys Horace Gillom, Don Chandler, Reggie Roby, Rohn Stark, and Rich Camarillo to consider. But it's pretty clear that if Guy didn't get elected, none of these others had a chance. I say it's great Guy is in, and now we need to address these other worthies. And to those who think Guy is the first punter in the HoF -- he isn't. Sammy Baugh, Yale Lary, Norm Van Brocklin, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield, Charlie Trippi, Jackie Smith, and Lem Barney also punted during their careers, though they played other positions.
Congratulations to all who were elected. It's a solid class of deserving folks. And I say "well done" to the voting committee, who got it right and got the job done with minimal public fuss. They elected the two Seniors (both highly deserving) and helped break the WR logjam up further. This all stands in sharp contrast to the joke that voting for the Baseball Hall of Fame has devolved into -- such folks could learn a lot from the PFHoF voters.
gary Collins n0.86 with the browns back in the 60,s should be in the hall. He had better records then most of the players that madeit. Give the guy a brake and get him on the balloit.
Once again Randy Gradishar was overlooked, as many Denver Broncos have been, I for one will be boycotting the HOF until the such time as #53 is inducted.as most fan of the Broncos are doing. Its time to look over his record on and off the field and realize he deserves as much if not more consideration than anyone else
Rocke: I know what you are thinking: Lee Roy Jordan does not have the pro bowls to merit entry into the Hall - and if this were the main standard, I would agree; but you must remember, Jordan played at middle linebacker during the era of Nitschke, Butkus, Nobis, Lanier, Mike Curtis, and Bill Bergy. All of them (even Curtis) were bigger than Jordan. Jordan played during the golden era of middle linebackers, but even players as diverse as Bob Lily and Hollywood Henderson, when they speak of Lee Roy Jordan, there is awe in their voice. Hollywood Henderson, who was irreverent and skeptical as to the comparative merits of starting white football players when compared to their black counterparts on the bench during the 1970's made it very clear that Lee Roy Jordan was one of the best football players he ever saw, played with or against, in his life. Henderson's opinion, in my mind, speaks volumes as had it not been for cocaine, Henderson could have become the original Lawrence Taylor - who, as I am sure you know, chose number 56 because that was Henderson's number. No, Lee Roy Jordan was more than the linebacking equivalent of a Don Perkins. He was a great player. But even if I am not persuading you, my point remains this: great old timers are being passed by in favor of modern players with inflated statistics. Pro Bowls during Jordan's era meant something. Today? So many players are chosen to appear for a made for television advertisement extravaganza that the import of being elected has been diluted.
Rocke: Linebacker Joe Fortunado should be in the Hall of Fame RIGHT NOW, but a nonsensical Hall of Fame system makes the debate an issue over the merits of Charles Haley. Disgraceful. Randy Gradishar should be in the Hall of Fame right now, but the news media titters over the merits of Charles Haley's five super bowls. Tommy Nobis who should be in the Hall of Fame is not because the Hall of Fame system is focused on the "flavors of the month:" Charles Haley or kevin Greene. Chuck Howley - who dominated two Super Bowls in a manner similar to Lawrence Taylor - and had a career of sustained excellence is ignored because the focus is on the merits of Charles Haley or Kevin Greene. Lee Roy Jordan, who led the Doomsday Defense for years - pound for pound the greatest linebacker who ever played the game - is not considered while the media focuses on Kevin Green 160 sacks. The uninformed fan - like the modern voter - is being sold a proverbial "mess of pottage," by those in "control" of the system. I am not on facebook, but I would love to meet you.
Well, I am not surprised, that I agree 100 % with your post about every one of those Linebackers you mentioned. Everyone should be in the Hall. Well, if you are not on Facebook, but I take it that you live in the Canton area, for obvious reasons, I don't want to just post my Email address or phone number on this thread. However, I work at Fishers Foods in N. Canton, about 3/4 of a mile North of the K-Mart on Applegrove. Thursday and Sunday are my days off. Tuesdays I start work at 3:00 PM Definitely a good day to come in. I don't want to talk here about my HOF collection, but I am sure youwill enjoy it. Please stop in some time soon. Look forward to meeting you.
COSME.....MY HERO. Do you live in the Canton area like I do. If so, would LOVE to meet you. You take the time to try to educate everybody. I, honestly get so tired and fed up with people about what you just spent an hour typing up. I Love how people think because Haley was on five SB Champs he should be in the Hall.... Totally Clueless. If you are on Facebook, please find me.
b Shepard: You are absolutely correct that Johnny Robinson should be in the Hall of Fame. It occurs to me that the standard used by the HOF voters for induction is based upon statistical standards which are no longer relevant to the modern game of football. For instance, Jim Brown's 12,000 plus rushing yards in the late 50's and early 60's is the "gold standard" in which modern backs are measured. yet, few people understand that if Jim Brown had run against his contemporaries in 16 game seasons, with modern blocking rules, and modern ball placement (in the old days, offensive lineman could NOT use their hands on defensive ball players AND the ball was placed at the hashmarks nearest to the sideline in which the runner was tackled, thus, in effect, creating de facto "extra" defenders on one side of the field...O.J. Simpson in 1973 benefitted by rule changes enumerated above, assisting him in running for 2000 yards), Jim Brown would easily have had several 2500 yard, 30 touchdown seasons in his career. Don Perkins, when he retired in 1968, was behind Jim Brown, Jim Taylor, Joe Perry and John Henry Johnson in career yardage rushed. However, despite his excellence running for a predominately expansion era Dallas Cowboys NO ONE can credibly claim Don Perkins deserves entry into the Hall of Fame. Yet, Jerome Bettis, who rushed for 13,000 plus yards has the cache amongst HOF voters to be placed into the Hall of Fame simply because voters are mesmerized by the illusion that he rushed for more yards than Jim Brown - the gold standard of running backs. If one analyzes the careers of Don Perkins and Jerome Bettis objectively, Don Perkins is more deserving of the Hall of Fame than Bettis; for Perkins assisted the Cowboy team into two classic hard fought NFL championship games against the Packers. Perkins helped lift the Cowboys from obscurity into prominence. Bettis, on the other hand, played for contenders throughout his career AND had it not been for a phenomenal tackle by Rothlesberger after his goal line fumble in the AFC championship game, Bettis NEVER would have been part of a championship team. HOF voters are mesmerized by recievers catching 1000 and more balls in their career. Yet, in the second to last play of Super Bowl X, Staubach passing into the end zone to Percy Howard to win the game, Mel Blount virtually tackled Howard before the ball arrived - and was not flagged. In the modern game, the ball would have been placed on the Steeler one yard line with one play to go. My point is this: receivers like Gary Collins, Del Shofner, Otis Taylor, Drew Pearson EARNED every catch they ever made - and yet HOF voters cluck about the "log jam" at the wide receiver position. There IS CERTAINLY a log jam: but the log jam begins with Mac Speedie, Del Shofner, Gary Collins, Boyd Dowler, Otis Taylor, Cliff Branch, Drew Pearson and perhaps even Harold Carmichael and Harold Jackson. The modern voter is mesmerized by the inflated statistics of the contemporary game in a manner similar to the Fed inflating our money. John Unitas made $100,000.00 a year towards the end of his career. Joe Flacco is making - what is it? - twenty million a year? Who can argue that Joe Flacco is worth 200 times what John Unitas was worth? Yet, the modern HOF induction system, as with the bastardization of the dollar, worships at the false idols of inflated statistics. Boyd Dowler not only caught touchdowns from Starr on third and one play action passes - he blocked like a fiend for Taylor and Hornung, helping the Packers to five NFL titles in seven years - and Dowler is not in the Hall of Fame? The "Bus" was a fine runner, but when his career is viewed objectively, he was less a running back than Don Perkins. Yet, one of these years soon, Bettis will be in the Hall. Shameful. A disgrace.
Wasn't this Kurt Warner's first year of eligibility ?
I remain completely baffled year after year that KC Chief Johnny Robinson has yet to be named as an inductee? Loved watching that guy play! Maybe there just aren't enough members on the selection committee that were around to witness his significant contributions to the game. Hope this oversight will be corrected some day.
Hey John David Stone, Why not BEFORE you get on the HOF website, and call the HOF a Parody and a Travesty, why not do 30 SECONDS worth of homework. Seau is not yet eligible for Election. Please, we need MORE contributors like Cosme and me, NOT more "fans" that are totally clueless about football and the HOF.
Was this the late great Junior Seaus' first year of eligibility? If it was and he was not posthumously enshrined on his first ballot then this Chargers fan will consider the HOF to be nothing more than a parody and travesty of it's name. One of the best linebackers of all time should be elected on his first ballot whether living of dead.
William Rice: You are correct. Randy Gradishar and Jerry Kramer should be in the Hall of Fame - and Rocke Sweeney is also correct: Jerome Bettis is the modern equivalent of a Rick Caseres or Don Perkins - a very good running back. Don Perkins retired after the 1968 season as the number five leading rusher in NFL history. This means that in the NFL's first 50 years, only five running backs had rushed for more yards than Don Perkins. Yet, no one is clamoring for Don Perkins to be in the Hall. Yet, Bettis is being considered as a final fifteen candidate... Jermome Bettis will eventually be elected into the Hall of Fame - while Randy Gradishar, Jerry Kramer,Jim Marshall, Eddie Meador, Walt Sweeney, Jim Tyrer, Otis Taylor, Drew Pearson and others - the truly greats of the game - languish at home (or are dead) knowing where they deserve to be in the Hall, but also knowing that unlike Dave Robinson, Michael Irwin or Michael Strahan, they lack the connections with Canton or the publicity of the media to ever have a chance. the Hall of Fame election system is almost criminally unfair.
Another Raider gets inducted into the pro football hall of fame! woo-hoo!
So many of you people make me laugh. You have no clue. I am glad you aren't all as smart as COSME, or 60sFan. There wouldn't be anything to laugh out loud at. GET OVER IT !!!!!! Jerome Bettis and Charles Haley DO NOT BELONG IN THE HALL OF FAME. Even Rod Woodson said Bettis is NOT HOF worthy. He said this is the HALL OF FAME, NOT THE HALL OF THE VERY GOOD. The bus = 2 All-Pro seasons + 6 pro bowls = NOT HALL OF FAME WORTHY. Charles Haley = 2 All-Pro seasons + 5 pro bowls = NOT HALL OF FAME WORTHY. GOOD....VERY GOOD....MAYBE great..... but NOT HALL OF FAME GREAT.
For better or worse the players of the 50's 60's and now 70's are only getting in at a 2 per year clip. Otis Taylor - good lord, YAC was not a stat in his day but he must hold the all time record.
When he played there was not a more dominant receiver. He put Len Dawson in the HoF. Then, as now, the election process was highly politicized. I'm sure voters today take it seriously but they do not display great knowledge of the games history or even common sense. Sure, there were no bad players elected this year, or for matter there are no bad players in the Hall, but there is no question the process needs a sharp overhaul. The "you put my guy in, I'll put your guy in" dynamic needs to be eliminated. Voting representation from the cities with teams is important but covering the team for a newspaper may not be the best criteria. Silent anonymous votes, limited debate time, voters without agendas, and exams that test knowledge and impartiality would help.
Randy Gradishar and Jerry Kramer should be in the Hall.
Like many others who posted, I can not believe that Charles Haley was overlooked yet again. I understand that he had his personality problems but that did not diminish his effectiveness on the field and he has since, I believe, been diagnosed and treated for his anger issues. So it is okay to use a player's talent to win games and Super Bowls but not recognize him because of off the field issues? This is pure politics and I feel that your actions have diminished the credibility of the entire HOF. In fact, it is my opinion in light of everything, that he is actually being punished for a documented medical condition. Ask the men who played against him....I am sure they will support that he was deserving and a force to be reckoned with! I not longer consider this HOF as valid in any way.
I need to add one more thing: if Michael Irwin can get elected to the Hall of Fame after nearly killing a Cowboy teammate by slicing and cutting his neck in a fight at the team barber - and with all his other criminal problems, Alex Karras should also be in the Hall despite the gambling imbroglio of 1962; and it is a shame and a disgrace that Ken Stabler, along with Staubach, Tarkenton, Bradshaw and Griese, one of the GREAT quarterbacks in the NFL during the 1970's is NOT in the Hall - and anyone who tries to argue with me that Ray Guy deserves induction before Stabler is divorced from reality. Stabler was the superior quarterback to Bradshaw and Griese and more responsible for the success of the Madden Raiders than Bradshaw or Griese was to the Steelers or Dolphins of that same era; and Jack Tatum. No one, not even Dick Butku****like Jack Tatum. Ask Earl Campbell if someone thinks this statement is hyperbole. Why we are arguing about the merits of John Lynch or Aeneus Williams or Michael Strahan when Alex Karras, Ken Stabler and Jack Tatum are not in the Hall is a consideration which underlines the trite truism: life (to include the Hall of Fame induction process) is unfair.
I think about guard Walt Sweeney of the San Diego Chargers, a nine time pro bowl guard - or John Niland, a six time pro bowl guard for the Dallas Cowboys - on one of the best offensive lines in NFL history during the 1960's and early 1970's who are absolutely ignored by the current Hall of Fame system - Ralph Neeley, a member of the NFL team of all time 1960's greats for the Dallas Cowboys - who should have made the Hall of Fame before Rayfield Wright - and is being ignored by voters. The young people who are members of the media do not know or cannot remember the greatness of players such as these. Dave Robinson, a three time pro bowl linebacker, entered the Hall of Fame in 2013, but few fans know or realize that Robinson had connections and relationships with highly placed individuals in Canton, Ohio's Pro Football Hall of Fame. I am not disrespecting Dave Robinson. He deserves entry into the Hall of Fame; but before contemporary linebackers such as Chuck Howley or Tommy Nobis - or even before his teammate, guard Jerry Kramer? No. I do not understand how the voting system can favor modern era candidates such as Andre Reed when Otis Taylor made all the big plays in the 1969 playoffs to win games against the Raiders, the Jets and the Vikings. Indeed, Otis Taylor was the ONLY 1000 yard receiver in 1971. Back in the day when corners like Mel Blount could physically beat wide receivers the moment the ball was snapped until the receiver's hands were on the ball, gaining 1000 yards receiving was the equivalent a modern receiver gaining 2000 yards: yet, receivers such as Carter and Rice are glorified. The game in 2013 is NOT the same game of football that was played in the 1950's, 60's and 70's. Yet the magnificent accomplishments of "old timers" are being ignored in favor of the horrendously inflated statistics of modern football - which reminds me more and more of a hyperactive video game. Or Jim Marshall. Come on! The modern fan is arguing about the merits of Charles Haley when a grid iron war horse such as Jim Marshall is still outside the Hall? Or how about Mick Tinglehoff, one of the great centers in NFL history - is a forgotten man. The induction system must be reformed!
I am so glad Ray Guy is finally in the hall.I have been watching pro ball since the mid fifties,and he is the best punter i've ever seen,then and now.The player he was kicking to could eat a hambuger and drink a coke while the ball was in the air.Thanks for the memories Ray.You were and are the best punter who ever played pro ball.A georgia boy fan from Thomaston,ga. perry roberts
Your comments on guys on the outside looking in has one notable name missing. He held for kicks, covered punts and kicks like a guided missile, returned punts and kicks, Pro-Bowl MVP, and was an above average backup to andre: The Baby-Faced Assassin, Steve Tasker
Charles Halley, media has a grudge against him.
another reason to hate the media and press, 5 ring holder denied again cause like Marshaun Lynch he doesn't like the media/press, nor do I
It sure is great to hear comments by such fans as "Cosme" and "JD"--particularly when their sentiments lie with the guys from "the glory days" and when the NFL was first being solidified. There are so many out there like Meador, Nobis, Kramer,Branch, etc., who are definitely Hall-worthy, but have not been able to get inducted because of the lopsided mathematics of they system of taking 2 Seniors and 5 Moderns each year. I know hindsight is 20-20, but I am not sure what the originators of the Hall were thinking when there was so much catching up to do in the beginning. Under the current system, these ironmen of the 60's will have to live very long lives to be able to know and feel that honor for what they achieved; if they don't live long enough, they'll never know. Let's hope there's a way for someone in a high position to get the backlog to the front of the line.
Thunderfoot did not play as long as Ray Guy and people might forget that RG also wanted to make every tackle. He would race down there and put a serious lick on anyone. As a DB at Southern MIss he was the meanest skinny on the field. Nobis absolutely deserves in (and before he is gone). Humphrey deserves in for sure but the unquestioned leader of that not so good Falcon team was Tommy Nobis - and for good reason. Everyone knows Jerry Kramer should be in the Hall but the voters. Please stop ignoring Jerome Bettis - we all need the Bus in Canton. The enshrinement process needs to move past the cronyism and political bloc mentality that, for no good reason, is kept behind closed doors.
I mean no disrespect to Ray Guy, who deserves enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. However, Jerrel "thunderfoot" Wilson of the Kansas City Chiefs (1963-1977) had a greater punting average than Guy, and kicked towering, booming punts which made him a member of the all AFL team. Al Davis drafted Ray Guy number one in large part as a response to Jerrel Wilson and the battle for field position during the hey day of the Kansas City/Oakland rivalry. Ray Guy has received the publicity; but Jerrel Wilson was the superior punter and should have been the first punter inducted into the Hall of Fame. Andre Reed deserves enshrinement, but not before Drew Pearson, Cliff Branch, Otis Taylor, Boyd Dowler, Mac Speedie, Del Shofner or Gary Collins, wide receivers who in their era contributed more to their teams success than even Andre Reed. Claude Humphrey was long overdue for induction, but not before the greatest Atlanta Falcon of the all: Tommy Nobis - who was every bit the equal middle linebacker of Willie Lanier or Dick Butkus on the field. Michael Strahan? Another deserving inductee; but before Harvey Martin - who had more sacks in a fourteen game season than Strahan had in sixteen games? More than L.C. Greenwood of the Steel Curtain? More than Jerry Mays, the all AFL defensive end for the Kansas City Chiefs? Walter Jones is a Hall of Fame stud; but who can argue that he was more dominant in his era than Jim Tyrer of the Chiefs. Yet, Tyrer is not in the Hall of Fame. Aeneas Williams is Hall of Fame worthy, but before Ed Meador or Johnny Robinson, Cliff Harris, Bobby Boyd, Dave Grayson, Pat Fisher, Larry Morris, Jack Tatum, Ken Riley, Booby Boyd, Dave Brown, Jake Scott or Everson Walls, now forgotten greats? Derrick Brooks is another super player deserving of induction: but before Chuck Howley; Lee Roy Jordan; Mike Curtis; Tommy Nobis, Robert Brazile and Andy Russell? No. The players listed above were as great in their era as Derrick Brooks is in his own. Yet, they are not in the Hall of Fame. I cannot understand how Jerry Kramer is not in the Hall of Fame - or Bob Kuechenberg or Dick Stanfel. there is a lot I do not understand. The back log of 'old timers' who are Hall worthy needs to be addressed and addressed soon - or the Hall of Fame will lose its credibility.
It always amazes me the degree to which politics plays a role in who gets selected to the HOF. I would not on merit disqualify any player selected with the caveat that there were more deserving picks on Merit alone as well but side by side were excluded. Seriously Arneas Williams over Jack Tatum? Not even close except the sad injury Tatum caused. No Eddie D. Or Dungy? Dungy got excluded because Eddie D was out due to gambling fiasco. Gotta seem fair right? Look Bill Walsh was the best coach ever but a strong case can be made that without Eddie D. he would not be in Canton given their partnership and rep he created during the 5 SuperBowl run. Sad.
As an old, and long time Raider fan even today when things have not been going good for a while, having Ray Guy into the H.O.F. is just so right especially to be the first at his position. At the time when he was playing even the opponents fans were watching Ray's kicks in envy. To see his foot fly up past his helmet and the ball go that high, the T.V. announcers always making comment on the hang time. You just new Ray was something special, and indeed he did change the game to the advantage of the Raiders by pinning the other team way back in their end of the field for the start of the drive. They then had to contend with Oakland's defence that was to put it simply, a hard task. Well done Ray. You deserves to be in Canton, and even your opponent's would agree.
Congratulations Michael Strahan! Well deserved, you were the leader of the Giants for over a decade. Now if Phil Simms , Charlie Conerly and Jimmy Patton get in to the Hall!, I will be happy cGiant camper!
CONGRATS!!! MICHAEL STRAHAN....BIGBLUE!!!
40 O-linemen in the HOF, but no JERRY KRAMER. WTF? Here are the 40: Larry Allen 1994-2007 Chuck Bednarik (C-LB) 1949-1962 Bob (Boomer) Brown (T) 1964-1973 Roosevelt Brown (T) 1953-1965 Lou Creekmur (T-G) 1950-1959 Dermontti Dawson (C) 1988-2000 Joe DeLamielleure (G) 1973-1985 Dan Dierdorf (T) 1971-1983 Frank Gatski (C) 1946-1957 Forrest Gregg (T-G) 1956, 1958-1971 Russ Grimm (G) 1981-1991 Lou Groza (T) (Also PK) 1946-1959, 1961-1967 John Hannah (G) 1973-1985 Gene Hickerson 1958-1973 Stan Jones (T-G, also DT) 1954-1966 Walter Jones 1997-2008 Jim Langer (C) 1970-1981 Larry Little (G) 1967-1980 Tom Mack (G) 1966-1978 Bruce Matthews (G, T, C) 1983-2001 Mike McCormack (T) 1951, 1954-1962 Randall McDaniel 1988-2001 Ron Mix (T) 1960-1969, 1971 Mike Munchak (G) 1982-1993 Anthony Muñoz (T) 1980-1992 Jonathan Ogden 1996-2007 Jim Otto (C) 1960-1974 Jim Parker (G-T) 1957-1967 Jim Ringo (C) 1953-1967 Willie Roaf (T) 1993-2005 Billy Shaw (G) 1961-1969 Art Shell (T) 1968-1982 Jackie Slater (T) 1976-1995 Bob St. Clair (T) 1953-1963 Dwight Stephenson (C) 1980-1987 Gene Upshaw (G) 1967-1981 Mike Webster (C) 1974-1990 Rayfield Wright 1967-1979 Ron Yary (T) 1968-1982 Gary Zimmerman (T) 1986-1997 - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx#sthash.IIXdU50P.dpuf
Many of these selection are an absolute joke compared to KRAMER.
i thought they put togeather a good class. put johnny robinson and jerry kramer in next year. they are the two most deserving then get stanfel in . the only 50's all decade not in!!
I really can't believe that these "so called experts", did not select "the bus". I think they should leave up to us, the fans, to pick the ones that deserve to get in.
Congratulations to the PFHoF Class of 2014. Well deserved!
With respect for the Selection Committee's future consideration...
Place kicker Gary Anderson retired in 2005 with 2,434 career points. At the time of Anderson's retirement, he was the NFL's All-Time Leading Scorer and never missed a game through an amazing 353 games (that was more games played than any other player ever).
This 4-time Pro Bowl veteran wore an old school one-bar facemask throughout a 23 season career playing for the Steelers, Eagles, Forty-Niners, Vikings and Titans.
He was selected to the NFL's 1980s All-Decade Team and 1990s All-Decade Team, and to the Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Team.
He was a scoring machine. POINTS win ballgames. Anderson won ballgames! One of the NFL's all-time greatest - you can't ask for much better.
Kicker Gary Anderson has earned NFL fan respect and deserves to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Finally. Ray Guy, who was an "impact player" before anyone thought up the term, is in the HOF. Congratulations are long overdue.
A lot of great talent has been overlooked in the past. However, I do have to congratulate Ray Guy for finally getting in! Well deserved!
I like the bills they are my home team
In terms of body of work Charles Haley is so much more deserving than Michael Strahan at this time! No other player has 5 Superbowl Rings for openers.
YEAH, RAY GUY is IN The HALL! I have been commenting here every year in support of Ray who played his high school ball in my town. Everyone in Thomson, GA is talking about his election to the HOF right now....we are so proud....FINALLY, the voters got it right.
2 things: Thank goodness Ray Guy finally got in! Legendary punter and athlete, the absolute best at his position that ever played, and that's what the HOF is supposed to be about. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that Strahan was elected because he is on TV all the time. He was good, but better than the others of the final 25 that didn't get in? No. Just more popular. And that is a shame. He couldn't carry Charles Haley's jock strap.
Congrats to the entire 2014 HOF Class!!!! Especially, Ray Guy, the man who invented the phrase "Hang Time" and caused all the networks to display a stopwatch in the corner of the screen during all punt plays during his era.
Congratulations to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2014. This honor is a testament to the hard work and dedication it takes to play the game of football professionally.
Finally RAY GUY in the hall!
Years over due...this is cool.............................
Congratulations to the Class of 2014--especially to the first punter in the HOF, Ray Guy, and to Claude Humphrey---two guys who have waited years and years for NFL's highest honor. While many will be unhappy that their player was not chosen, I think it's worse for those deserving players who have waited 20,30,40+ years and still are not in. One such player is Ed Meador, the L.A. Rams' defensive captain of the Fearsome Foursome under HOF coach George Allen. Meador is the only DB from the 1960's All-Decade Team who is still not in the HOF. Retiring after the 1970 season, Meador still holds the Rams' interception and fumble recovery records, which is why he was a 6-time Pro Bowl selection. Here's hoping Meador gets in with the Class of '15.
At Last: A Punter!
Ok, again,Drew Pearson n Haily maybe the only player with 5 SuperBowl rings n denied!!!! WTF?? I don't think the buss desrves it, not yet anyway. The ****ing voters are a bunch of haters/Douchbags/****heads!!! There way more pay Cowboys players more deserving than Sanders, Strahan, n Lawrence Taylor. WTF??? Is ducking wrong with these mentally, hatimg so call voters??? They can All Duck each other or maybe get LT to ****them Alll. Bunch of Mutha****ers!!!!
the h.o.f. suck big time!!!, how can u pass up a wr who has set records but you put a wr who has lost 4sb n hasnt set a record....thats a bunch of b.s.!!!
Kevin Greene denied? Cmon man!!
How do you pass up the Bus again? Did the Ballot get lost in Strahan's gap?
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