Class of 2012 Finalists

01/07/2012

Two first-year eligible nominees – coach Bill Parcells and guard Will Shields – are among the 15 modern-era finalists who will be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when the Hall’s Selection Committee meets in Indianapolis, Ind. on Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012.

Joining the first-year eligible, are 12 modern-era players and a contributor. The 15 modern-era finalists, along with the two senior nominees announced in August 2011 (former Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Jack Butler and former Detroit Lions and Washington Redskins guard Dick Stanfel) will be the only candidates considered for Hall of Fame election when the 44-member Selection Committee meets. To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent.

Although technically a first-year eligible candidate, Parcells has been a finalist twice before (2001, 2002) following his announced retirement as head coach of the New York Jets in 1999. At the time the Hall of Fame By-Laws did not require a coach to be retired the now mandatory five seasons. Parcells returned to coach the Dallas Cowboys in 2003 and the five-year waiting period was in effect when he retired from coaching in 2006.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow:

See detailed capsule bios on the 17 Finalists>>>

Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers

Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers

Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks

Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets

Bill Parcells– Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs

Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins

Aeneas Williams– Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

In addition to Parcells, other finalists who have been eligible in previous years include Bettis, Brown, Carter, Dawson, Doleman, Haley, Kennedy, Martin, Reed, Roaf and Stanfel. Although they were eligible in previous years, this is the first time Butler, DeBartolo, Greene and Williams have been finalists.

From this year’s list, four players – Butler, Dawson, Kennedy, and Shields spent their entire NFL career with just one team.

Butler and Stanfel were selected as senior candidates by the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee at their August 2011 meeting. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players whose careers took place more than 25 years ago. The remaining 15 modern-era finalists were determined by a vote of the Hall’s 44-member Selection Committee from a list of 105 preliminary nominees that earlier was reduced to a list of 26 semifinalists.

To be eligible for election, modern-era players and coaches must be retired at least five consecutive seasons. Contributors need not be retired.

Conversation about the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s selection process for 2012 can be streamlined on Twitter by using the Hall of Fame’s designated hashtag #PFHOF12. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is found at @ProFootballHOF on Twitter and on Facebook.

Doleman, Greene, and Haley have been eligible for eight years. Dawson, Kennedy, and Reed have each been eligible for election for seven years, Carter five years, and Brown and Williams three years. Bettis, Martin and Roaf are in their second year of eligibility. Since the retirement minimum for a player prior to 1968 was three years, senior nominees Butler and Stanfel have been eligible since 1963 when the Hall of Fame first opened.

The Selection Committee will meet in Indianapolis, Ind. on Saturday, February 4, 2012, to elect the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2012. The election results will be announced at 5:30 p.m. ET during a one-hour NFL Network special, live from the Super Bowl Media Center. The Class of 2012 will be the 50th class to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

At the 2012 selection meeting, the selectors will thoroughly discuss the careers of each finalist. Although there is no set number for any class of enshrinees, the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s current ground rules stipulate that between four and seven new members will be selected each year. No more than five modern-era nominees can be elected in a given year and a class of six or seven can only be achieved if one or both senior nominees are elected. Representatives of the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche will tabulate all votes during the meeting.

At the announcement, Pro Football Hall of Fame President/Executive Director Steve Perry will be presented with an envelope containing the names of the nominees elected. Each newly elected member will be contacted immediately by the Hall of Fame. Members of the Class of 2012 in Indianapolis for the Super Bowl will be asked to join the live announcement show. Those not able to attend will be asked to join via teleconference.

Individual Enshrinement tickets and Fan Packages for the 2012 Enshrinement Festival are on sale now. Ticket information for the Enshrinement Ceremony, NFL Hall of Fame Game and the Pro Football Hall of Fame Enshrinement Festival events can be found here>>>

The position roster will change after Class of 2012 election

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Finalists by year

Selection process

Class of 2012 selection process: Preliminary Nominees | Semifinalists


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  • rory moriarty - June 04 2013 12:01 PM

    I am becoming more and more discouraged with the HOF> toiday listening t ESpn, I am saddened by the loss of Deacon Jones. I am also saddened because I feel like my Uncles accomplishments in the NFL have and will continue to fall on deaf ears. My Uncle, Roger Brown played on that line with Deacon, Merlin, and Lamar Lundy. He replaced Rosey Grier on the Rams Fearsome Foursome and was a force. He also played on the Detroit Lions Fearsome Foursome line in 1962 with Alex Karras, Sam Williamsn Bill Glass and Darris McCord. I just canrt believe that the Hall has been able to overlook Uncle Roger all these years. I cant believe that so many players that he has played with are in the Hall and he isnt, and you are definitley not going to get me to believe that they were that more domnant than Uncle Roger...HIS CAREER DEFINITLEY NEEDS O BE LOOKED AT AGAIN!!!!!!

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  • David - March 10 2013 09:13 AM

    I really think that Johnny Robinson, Otis Taylor, Jim Marshall, & Terrell Davis should definitely be inducted into the HOF.

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  • rory moriarty - January 10 2013 10:34 AM

    I am the nephew of defensive tackle great Roger Brown who played on two of the greatest defenses in the NFL, that being the 1962 Detroit Lions and the Las Angeles Rams Fearsome Foursome.I am curious if not outraged at the omission that Uncle Roger has received for consideration into the Football Hall of Fame.Uncle Roger retired in 1969 and has never been selected for induction. I would think that with all the players he played with and those that came after, Uncle Roger is by far worthy of a consideration for induction. Uncle Roger had a stellar career in the nfl, one that many marvel at, and one that others envy. I am asking the Senior committee to please review Uncle Rogers career and give him the recognition he truly and honorably deserve. Thank you

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  • butch - February 20 2012 03:25 PM

    L.C. Greenwood and Jim Marshall should have been in.

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  • Mike Terres - February 09 2012 09:25 PM

    ATTENTION VOTING COMMITTEE: Please address the issue at Wide Receiver. It is realized that an attempt to distinguish who was better is causing this failure in the process. The answer is to give your votes to all three receiver in 2013! They were equally great for different reasons. The position is under-represented in the hall, which is nonsense. Drives are kept alive, and Quarterback legacies are cemented by these guys. Tim Brown was just an amazing talent with a threat for a big play every down. He had TERRIBLE quarterbacks for most of his career, and put up first ballot numbers. Andre Reed came from tiny Kutztown St. to a 2-14 team. LOOK at the WEATHER he played in. He came up aces in the majority of his playoff games (the comeback anyone?)The Bills would not have been an elite team without him. He had such great players around him that took touches away. He came across the middle and took the hardest of hits, but was sooo reliable. Statistically, Cris Carter pales only to Jerry Rice. He made EVERY catch and got EACH foot down everytime it was thrown his way. He overcame some early hiccups in Philadelphia to mature into one of the all-time great team leaders in the game. These three guys are the best three players not in the hall of fame. Do it for the fans. Do it for the game.

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  • Timothy J Pokrywka - February 05 2012 09:07 PM

    HOF has no clue whats it doing. CRIS CARTER Snubbed again. ****the Hall of Fame

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  • greg - February 04 2012 08:45 PM

    the holf is coming a joke know why does a guy from the 50 go in too the hall fame know he should be in by the old timers and how does the bus not make it before curis marin thay guy share is not a holf yet.cris carter adre reed and tim brown and then dd i guess next year for the bus

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  • Jack Quigley - February 04 2012 11:42 AM

    I cannot believe that Kenny Stabler has not been voted into the Hall ofFame. He called his own plays and was a great leader and played in some of the greatest games ever. What a Disgrace.

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  • ABouwkamp - February 04 2012 10:46 AM

    Why are my posts from yesterday gone?

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  • charmedone81 - February 04 2012 03:05 AM

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  • charmedone81 - February 04 2012 03:04 AM

    would so love to see Curtis Martin get in. Very underrated great RB. Cris Carter not being in yet (and probably getting snubbed again this year) is just a travesty.

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  • Miguel Angel - February 03 2012 11:26 AM

    Great Jerome, I wish you very luck

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  • cosme - February 02 2012 12:17 PM

    Victor: I might add that the Cowboys were victims of horrendous officiating in Super Bowl V. They were leading the Colts 13-7 and at the Colt two yard line. Duane Thomas fumbles the ball at the Colt one yard line and Dave Manders recovers the ball. Colt defensive end Billy Ray Smith hollers Colt ball. The two closest officials to the play say nothing. The official with no view of the play goes along with Billy Ray Smith's mendacity. Billy Ray Smith has even admitted that he snookered the officials. In fact,as I recall that game, the Unitas to Mackey touchdown should have been called back because Mel Renfro NEVER touched the ball after it bounced out of the hands of another Colt receiver into Mackey's hands. With balanced, fair, objective officiating, the Cowboys would have won five Super Bowls in the 1970's. Those Landry era Cowboys are vastly underrepresented in the HOF.

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  • danielryansdad - February 02 2012 09:28 AM

    Congratulations to all the finalists! as a born and raised native of western new york i am so excited andre reed is again a finalist! he is so deserving for his entire body of work and should be inducted in 2012. he played in many great games and as a memeber of the bills during the great years when year after year ended in rejection by the very teams they had beaten during regular season and year after year they stand up and get busy! what a team! go andre!!!!

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  • Victor - February 01 2012 09:47 PM

    And while I'm less interested in the debate over which franchise had the most success between Starr and Montana, the Cowboys dominated the Steelers in the 1960s, won more games and conference championships even in the 1970s, and sustained success into the 1980s better. The two Steeler/Dallas SBs were decided by a combined 8 points and plagued with blatantly bad officiating calls. Alter the outcome of one of them and the Cowboys are the team of the 1970s as well as the 1990s. I place a premium on championships above all else, but, when discussing the HoF, if things are that close other factors must be considered. Landry's NFL record of 20 consecutive winning seasons is nothing to belittle. From 1966 - 1982 Dallas appeared in 12 Conference Championship games in 17 years. From 1970 they appeared in 10 Conference Championships in 13 years. Think about that for moment. Despite that unmatched level of sustained success, which is only possible with many great players in combination with a great system, early in the 2000s there were only 5 Cowboys in the HoF. The first four were obvious first ballot guys like Staubach and Dorsett, and the fifth was Mel Renfro, who went to 10 consecutive Pro Bowls, was a true shut down corner with world class track speed, was physical enough that he made All Pro at S as well as CB, still holds the franchise record for INTs, is the Cowboys' all time best KO returner, and won multiple championships, but had to wait until his last year of modern era eligibility to get in. There definitely has been an anti-Cowboys bias over the years that prevented them from getting any of the relatively borderline players of the sort that other teams get in. The bias has been documented in a variety of ways over the years from writers talking about guys voting against Lilly to Paul Zimmerman (no Dallas fan) exploding in frustration over the 2004 debacle that excluded only Hayes and Wright out of the final 6 (with Harris left stranded in the top 10), to SI publishing stories titled "Why I Hate the Dallas Cowboys" to ESPN loving to cover the team......from an angle of scandal. Dallas is the most hated franchise by sportswriters (who vote for the HoF) because most of them grew up in cities that saw their beloved teams lose to the Cowboys year after year, and they resent the "America's Team" label on top of that. Bob Hayes and Rayfield Wright finally got in so maybe the bias has faded some but there's still a strong anti-Dallas bloc (including guys like Peter King), the Cowboys are still grossly underrepresented in Canton given their success back then, and there's a long way to go to rectify that.

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  • Victor - February 01 2012 09:11 PM

    Rocke, I didn't argue that all those men I listed should be next in line for the HoF (though Howley, Harris, and Pearson should have already been in), but was correcting your factually false claims that Niland and the others had 0 first team All Pro selections.

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  • cosme - February 01 2012 01:36 PM

    Rocke: Jim Tyrer, Ed Budde, Johnny Robinson and Otis Taylor, all Hank Stram era Kansas City Chiefs, should be in the Hall of Fame. Ken Stabler, Cliff Branch, Jack Tatum and Lester Hayes, Madden era Raiders should be in the Hall of Fame. Jim Marshall and Mick Tingelhoff are Bud Grant Vikings who should be in the Hall of Fame. Dave Robinson, Jerry Kramer and Boyd Dowler of the Lombardi Packers should be in the Hall of Fame. I am not prejudiced in favor of the Cowboys. I do, however, recognize excellence, and excellence is not being recognized. Ad hominem mockery does not take away from the fact that the Landry Cowboys dominated the NFL from the Bart Starr era to the Joe Montana era.

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  • Rocke Sweaney - February 01 2012 12:43 AM

    Cosme & Victor, I know. I'm going to stop by the Hall next week, and talk to Joe Horrigan. I am going to see if this new expansion they are building, if they can set aside room for a "Cowboys Wing" since according to you two, Howley, Harris, Pearson, Niland, Jordan, Neely, Martin, Haley, Andrie, Green and Waters should all be inducted ASAP and correct the GROSS injustice that has happened. Believe it or not, there is THIRTY ONE other teams in the NFL BESIDES the Cowboys. And I am NOT saying that all teams need to have players elected every couple, or even few years to be fair. I am a big Browns fan, but in the last 13 years, we have not had one player that hould even be CONSIDERED, until Joe Thomas came along. Also, to show that I look at The Hall of Fame from a TOTALY UNBIASED point of view, I do not believe that Clay Mathews should be elected to the Hall, and he went to FOUR Pro Bowls, and was ALL-PRO Three times. Victor, I admit, I DID miss the fact that Ralph Neely was ALL-DECADE. BUT, if you look at the biogrophies, of all of the ALL-DECADE players from the 1960's, that are NOT in the Hall of Fame, I can make a MUCH better arguement for Ed Meador, Dave Robinson, Tommy Nobis, Jerry Kramer, Howard Mudd, Del Shofner, and probably even John David Crow, and Alex Karras, for Induction, than for Ralph Neely. Cosme, You are right, Landry teams dominated the NFL from the Bart Starr era, to the Joe Montana era. Well, they did if you pretend that the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't exist. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Pittsburgh, but there is absolutely no denying that THEY were the best team in football between Starr and Montana. To say otherwise, you just lose any credibility as far as your knowledge of the history of the NFL.

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  • cosme - January 31 2012 05:59 PM

    Victor: Thank you. I agree with your list of priorities for Landry era players deserving induction into the Hall of Fame, and would add to your list the following: Howley; Harris; Pearson; John Niland; Lee Roy Jordan; Ralph Neely; and Harvy Martin, in that order. Jerry Jones should begin the process by putting Niland, Neely and Martin into the Ring of Honor. Landry teams dominated the league from the Bart Starr era to the Joe Montana era, and the above players were an integral part of that domination.

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  • Victor - January 31 2012 05:02 PM

    Rocke Sweaney, you need to get your facts straight. Green and Neely each had 3 AP first team All Pro selections (Neely was also All Decade), and Niland has 2. That's not counting second team selections or first team selections by other outfits. That said, the induction priority for Landry Cowboys are Chuck Howley, Cliff Harris, and Drew Pearson. On a side note, I've never cared for the "Hall of the Very Good" line. It's not called "Hall of the Great" either, so the comment doesn’t make sense. "Great" is a bigger set than "HoF". There are a lot of great players who aren't and will never be in the HoF. "HoF" is a subset of "great".

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  • cosme - January 31 2012 01:08 PM

    Thomas: It is shameful that Drew Pearson is not in the Hall of Fame, along with Cliff Branch. Both of them were superior to Lynn Swann, who entered the Hall of Fame on the strength of one game: the 1976 Super Bowl. Otherwise, his accomplishments were pedestrian, and George Atkinson was correct: Swann was soft. Boyd Dowler is another wide receiver who should be in the Hall of Fame. However, it is a shame and a disgrace that ends who dominated their eras have been passed over and left to languish on the old timers committee while HOF voters debate which of three receivers who played in this modern era of inflated passing statistics (Reed, Brown and Carter) dominate the discussion of who deserves induction first.

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  • Rocke Sweaney - January 31 2012 08:47 AM

    Hey Joe Horrigan, since Tony Grossi can't make the voting this year, I have the perfect, fill-in replacement for him....ME. You couldn't find someone to take his place, that knows MORE about the HOF, it's members, or more importantly, the HISTORY of the NFL, and the history of the final 17 nominees. Give me the word, and I'll be there Saturday morning. You know how to get a hold of me.

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  • cosme - January 30 2012 06:37 PM

    Rocke: Your arguments that Gene Hickerson blocked for three Hall of Fame running backs works against you. Niland blocked for Don Perkins (when he retired, he was the fifth leading rusher in NFL history. Calvin Hill and Duane Thomas were rookies of the year in the NFL. My point is this: Niland blocked for three very good - but not Hall of Fame - running backs and STILL the Cowboy team was amongst the top three to five rushing teams (in terms of yards gained) EVERY season Niland played - as well as outrushing the Cleveland team evry year! Imagine how many yards Jim Brown or Leroy Kelly would have rushed for behind Niland, Neely, Wright and the rest? And I agree with you that George Andre will not get a sniff as a Hall of Famer even though he has more pro bowls than other HOF defensive ends. Nevertheless, that does not make it right. Charlie Waters interecepted more passes in the post season than any other player, and was an integral part of the Dallas defense during the 1970's. Niland, working with less able running backs, accomplished more than Hickerson - or even Jerry Kramer - who certainly was better than Hickerson and NOT in the Hall of Fame.

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  • Thomas Stokes - January 30 2012 12:07 PM

    Still no Drew Pearson? Really? WOW man how to you guys pick em???????

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  • John - January 29 2012 06:14 PM

    AnreReed should be in the hof because he kind of revolutionized the over-the-middle wr. if it wasn't 4 him we wouldn't be talking about wes welker as 1 of the premier inside wr or any wr in that position now.

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  • Rocke Sweaney - January 29 2012 02:25 PM

    COSME : John Niland, " certainly as good as, or superior, to Gene Hickerson " Here is my arguement : John Niland 6 X Pro Bowl, 0 1st team ALL-PRO, 0 2nd team ALL-PRO. NOT on the ALL-DECADE team of the 1970's. Gene Hickerson : 6 X Pro Bowl, 5 X 1st team ALL-PRO, 1 X 2nd team ALL-PRO, IS the ONLY guard from the 1960's ALL-DECADE ( Which, to me, means he is probably looked at as the BEST guard of the decade ) team in the Hall. PLUS, lets add in, # of running backs the two guards blocked for that are in the Hall, John Niland : ZERO, Gene Hickerson : THREE ( Jim Brown, Bobby Mitchell, Leroy Kelly ). Seriously, John Niland "Superior" to Gene Hickerson. Sorry, buddy, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Charlie Waters, gets I the Hall the same way I do, He pays $16.00 at the door. Cliff Harris, on the other hand, should, and probably will get in someday. However, there is no denying the fact that the 44 voters are reluctant to vote for guards and safety's. If you find the answer to that one, let me know. I'd like to know why. @ Eric, no doubt, that all three wide receivers you metioned should, and WILL get in, but my guess, only one ( probably Reed ) gets in this year. ZERO chance that all three go in the same year.

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  • Dan DeVite - January 29 2012 01:17 PM

    I would like to see. Coach Bill Cower make it in. Danny D.

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  • Eric - January 28 2012 06:20 PM

    Of this group let's get all three WR's in Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed are all deserving. Cortez Kennedy should be in as should Jerome Bettis

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  • bachslunch - January 25 2012 02:25 PM

    Sorry, meant to say re Charles Haley below: "put him close to the top for eligible OLBs not in the HoF from the time." The not-yet-eligible Junior Seau is top dog in postseason honors for OLBs from the period.

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  • bachslunch - January 25 2012 02:21 PM

    Re Ralph Neely, he's no slouch, but then again his postseason honors profile [1st team all pro(via AP)/pro bowl/ all decade teams] of 3(3AP)/2/60s is actually smaller than Rayfield Wright's 4(3AP)/6/70s. And while John Niland has solid postseason honors numbers at 3(2AP)/6/none, Gene Hickerson's 4(3AP)/6/60s is a bit better. Of the two, Niland may have the stronger argument when looking at things this way. Re Charles Haley, if one compares him to DE mistakes such as Fred Dean at 2(2AP)/4/none and Richard Dent at 2(1AP)/4/none, his case isn't any better -- but he also played a good bit at outside linebacker, and his 2(2AP)/5/none postseason honors put him close to the top for OLBs from the time -- but still a little behind Kevin Greene's 3(2AP)/5/90s. And one Cowboy not mentioned who I think has a good HoF case is Drew Pearson (compare Pearson's stats to those of his contemporaries Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, and Cliff Branch, all of whom I think have a very legit HoF argument).

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  • chris - January 25 2012 10:46 AM

    we are only a week away before they announce the pro football hall of fame class of 2012 on the nfl network, whats everybody's predictions on who will make it to the hall of fame? my predictions as it currently stands today: jack butler, dermontti dawson, chris doleman, cortez kennedy, curtis martin, andre reed, and dick stanfel. and my wild-cards would be bill parcells or charles haley in case some of my predictions don't work out

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  • cosme - January 25 2012 09:36 AM

    Bachslunch: Your comments on Doak Walker are acutely perceptive and accurate. Rocke: Ralph Neely is a member of the all 1960's team. He was an integral member of one of the great offensive lines in football history from the mid-sixties to mid-seventies. Ralph Neely deserved enshrinement BEFORE Rayfield Wright. John Niland was a six time pro bowl player, and certainly a guard as good as, or superior to, Gene Hickerson, a Hall of Fame player; and if Fred Dean is a Hall of Fame defensive end, Charles Haley certainly is. Finally, Charlie Waters still holds the all time record for most interception in the post season and anchored the defensive backfield of the Cowboys in the 1970's.

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  • John Hooper - January 24 2012 05:05 PM

    Once again, the HOF voters have dropped the ball.....Ray Guy shunned again!

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  • Rocke Sweaney - January 23 2012 07:47 PM

    Some of you guys really crack me up with your thoughts about who deserves to be inducted in the HALL OF FAME. Remember it is the HALL OF FAME, NOT the HALL OF THE VERY GOOD. Bubba Barnes...Jim Plunkett ??? Really??? Why, because he had ZERO 2nd team ALL-PRO years or because he had ZERO 1st team ALL-PRO years. OR, is it because he NEVER even went to a Pro Bowl. Cosme... You have a couple of guys that DO deserve consideration in Chuck Howley and Randy Gradishar, BUT some of your suggestions of guys that belong in the Hall are about as laughable as the Jim Plunkett idea. Charlie Waters, John Niland, Cornell Green, and Ralph Neely. A total of 16 Pro bowls between them ( Niland with the most at 6 ) and ZERO 1st or 2nd team ALL-PRO years between them. NONE of them deserve ANY serious consideration. George Andrie, 5 pro Bowl and 1 X ALL-PRO. He will NEVER get a sniff either. Al "OX" Wistert was ALL-PRO EIGHT times, and an ALL-DECADE Offensive tackle, and he's STILL waiting to be elected. NamathGuarantee...Joe Theisman...Are you serious !!! One X 1st team ALL-PRO, One X 2nd team ALL-PRO and 2 X Pro Bowl. As I said HALL OF FAME, NOT HALL OF THE VERY GOOD. Charles Haley...My Opinion, does NOT deserve induction. TWO career Interceptions, 8 fumble recoveries. Now the "PLUSES" of his career...5 X Pro Bowl, 2 X ALL-PRO ( both so-so, hardly outstanding ) Member of the "100 Sack Club" Well if that means anything, than lets get the HOF Busts made up for William Fuller, Jim Jeffcoat, Trace Armstrong, and Kevin Carter as well, since they are also members of the "100 SACK CLUB" Finally, I do not know how to post this article, but if you google " pro football hall of fame five quick hits Brad Oremland 2006 " when you find the article, scroll down to where it is marked " prospects " After you are done reading it, if you have a functioning brain, you will then know why Jerome "The Bus " Bettis should NOT be given any SERIOUS thought for Induction in THE HALL OF FAME.

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  • bachslunch - January 23 2012 03:29 PM

    Cosme, re Doak Walker -- he was a different kind of back from what's usually encountered from the 60s on. He was a two-way guy (played defense and offense) who returned kicks, was known as much for his pass catching as his rushing, and was his team's place kicker and (for two seasons) its punter. And short careers were more the norm back then anyway. Walker was also a 1st team all pro 4 of his 5 seasons and went to the pro bowl every year of his career. I'd also say Gale Sayers had five elite-level years, not three (finished 2nd, 1st, 2rd, 5th, and 1st in rushing yards and 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, and 2nd in all-purpose yards during his first five seasons) -- and Sayers was also considered a world-class kick returner, plus he was a 1st team all pro 5 times and went to 4 pro bowls. While I can certainly see a HoF argument for Terrell Davis if you value his very high if short peak above his very short career, Davis wasn't the all-around player Walker was and didn't return kicks like Sayers -- and he was a 1st team all pro 3 times and went to 3 pro bowls, not quite as many as either Sayers or Walker. But I agree with your assessment of Too Tall Jones, though I'm not sure I'd cast as wide a HoF Cowboys snub net as you did (agree with Howley, Harris, and maybe Green and Jordan as well). gobroncos, Steve Atawater's not making the finalist list isn't unusual for a safety (a position that gets little love from HoF voters), and note well that Donnie Shell didn't get this far, either, nor did Kenny Easley (the last two are now Seniors) -- and except for Terrell Davis, all of the other players you listed are Senior-eligible only, not via the regular route anymore. And Bubba, that's true for Jim Plunkett as well.

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  • gobroncos - January 22 2012 09:33 AM

    Where's TD and A****er!!! How about Jerry Kramer, Randy Gradishar, Jim Marshall, Ray Guy!!! It's a shame that these guys aren't even mentioned except for TD.

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  • Cosme - January 21 2012 09:28 PM

    Mark: Too Tall Jones was a very good defensive end for the Dallas Cowboys. However, Harvey Martin was consistently more dominant and should be in the Hall. Other "Old Timer" Cowboys who should be inducted well before Too Tall Jones are Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Cliff Harris, Ralph Neely, John Niland. George Andre had many more pro bowl seasons than Too Tall. I would argue that Charlie Waters and Cornell Green also deserve induction.

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  • Mark Mathis - January 21 2012 11:34 AM

    Where's Ed " Too Tall" Jones?

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  • Brad - January 20 2012 08:44 AM

    How can Debartolo be considered? He was forced to "voluntairly" sell his to (to his sister) after getting caught paying off the Gov of Louisiana for gaming rights in the state.. This is after being caught for violating the salary cap and paying his mega starts under the table to keep them all together and win more Super Bowls. Thas just what he GOT Caught doing... Doesnt seen very HOF worthy.. MBL keeps out P Rose for less..

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  • Cosme - January 19 2012 02:19 PM

    I gotta say if Doak Walker, a running back, can make the Hall of Fame after a comparatively pedestrian six year career, and Gale Sayers can make the Hall of Fame on the strength of three superlative seasons out of a seven year career, Terrel Davis of the Denver Broncos SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame, also. And while we are talking about former Broncos, Randy Gradishar, outside linebacker, should have been the FIRST Bronco in the Hall of Fame

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  • Paul Wright - January 19 2012 10:06 AM

    If just one WR makes it in, should be Reed. Waiting longer and last cut twice. Still don't know why he didn't make it last yer (no WRs did) and year before he got trumped by Rice. Prior to that, a one per year succession based on holding time with Reed a finalist - Art Monk, Michael Irvin. Terrell Davis deserves in more than any other RB eligible who is not in. Sorry Martin and Bettis fans, but this isn't baseball and "slow and steady" isn't always more deserving than the greatness Davis achieved. As deserving as Sayers or Campbell who also had relatively short, but brilliant careers. Most deserving "old timer" who continues to be snubbed, Jack Kemp.

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  • Bubba barnes - January 19 2012 09:11 AM

    I cant believe Jim Plunkett is not in the Hall of Fame,Cmon man!!

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  • bachslunch - January 18 2012 04:23 PM

    Where's Ray Guy? He dropped into the Seniors category as of this year, no longer eligible via the regular route. Re Bobby Boyd: he actually would be a reasonable Senior candidate to consider with postseason honors of 4(3AP)/2/60s, but Jack Butler has been waiting longer (retired in 1959, Boyd retired in 1968) -- so I have no problem with Butler being nominated this year. There are unfortunately a number of DB HoF Senior snubs, many of them safeties.

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  • Debbie Z - January 18 2012 04:23 AM

    I agree with Gary. Where's Ray Guy?

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  • gary skyler - January 18 2012 04:17 AM

    comon man ray guy was the best punter in the league history

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  • pewterpwer - January 17 2012 01:34 AM

    tim brown a very good choice for the hall

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  • Cosme - January 16 2012 10:42 AM

    The Old Timers Committee should strongly consider Chuck Howley, outside linebacker for the Dallas Cowboys next season. Howley's highlights include running down Leroy Kelly in the open field in the 1967 division playoffs; Super Bowl V MVP; after being knocked down in Super Bowl VI, jumping up and intercepting a Bob Griese pass on a play that Larry Czonka called the greatest effort by an outside linebacker he ever witnessed. Howley was a several time All Pro and a foundation, along with Bob Lilly, of the Doomsday defense of the 1960's and early 1970's. Howley's contributions in championship games are superior to Lawrence Taylor. His number of Pro Bowl seasons are similar to Dave Wilcox, and his teams accomplished more than Chris Hanburger's - both contemporaries of Howley's, and inductees into the Hall of Fame.

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  • Anonymous - January 14 2012 11:10 PM

    If they put Jack Butler in the Hall of Fame, they might as well put Bobby Boyd in as well. He played the same amount of seasons, he had 5 more interceptions, never had a season with 0 interceptions as Butler did, had 167 more interception yards, had just as many defensive touchdowns, and was on a team that consistently won by reaching the championship game two times in 1964 and 1968 in which he played a large part in those teams' defenses.

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  • STEVE - January 14 2012 01:19 PM

    Sorry about the typo's! lol

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  • STEVE - January 14 2012 01:18 PM

    IN REPLY TO: >>> Shawn - January 09 2012 12:12 PM ....>>>> Brother, I couldn't have said it any better! As much as I hate to say this out loud...lol...I am a die hard NY Jets fan...BUT more importantly I am a fan of football. There are definately guys that are Finalists that deserve to be named to the HOF and there are guys that didn't make the cut that should also be named into the HOF. But I will debate and argue the point with anyone that CURTIS MARTIN DESERVES TO BE ENTER THE HALL OF FAME THIS YEAR! Yes I can babble on about his stats and work ethics but I'm pretty sure we all know them. Should Bettis enter?....Yes, Should Andre Reed enter....Yes, Should Tim Brown enter?...Yes.....Should CURTIS MARTIN enetr? It shouldn't even be thought because it's a no brainer...out of everyone on the Finalist List, Curtis Martin's name should be the first one written down to enter the Class of 2012 Hall of Fame!! Martin is getting in! Ican't see how he can't!! Can you imagine his stats if he stayed healthy for another 2 or 3 seasons?! It's amazing what he did given the teams he played for! VOTE CURETIS MARTIN IN!! > Big Steve in NYC <

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  • Roger L. Brown - January 12 2012 08:53 AM

    Roger Brown, When will he be Pick for the NFL Hall Of Fame, He played as a member of Both Fearsome Foursome Detroit and LARams

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  • bachslunch - January 12 2012 08:07 AM

    Lots of stuff. Banajoe, if Cris Carter doesn't get elected this year, it's likely because Andre Reed, who has been waiting longer, will be -- note that Reed has twice made the cutdown to the final 10 and Carter hasn't -- and taking turns isn't an unfair way to go here. And BSmith78, I'm sure you're aware that BBQ sauce issues won't help Reed's HoF case -- that's for the cooking HoF, should one exist. Brownsrock, Kevin Greene [3(2AP)/5/90s] has notably better postseason honors than Clay Matthews [1(0AP)/4/none], as do other OLBs such as Charles Haley, Cornelius Bennett, Pat Swilling, and Greg Lloyd -- they simply have a stronger HoF argument. I couldn't care less if Greene was a "loudmouth" -- so were several other HoF-ers -- and Kevin Steele, the coach Greene grabbed during a heated sideline discussion, has since said the two of them worked the issue out and he doesn't hold ill will against Greene. Kenneth, Joe Jacoby isn't even the best OT of his time period (that would be Anthony Munoz), never mind ever, and Jacoby's postseason honors are essentially the same as peers Mike Kenn, Marvin Powell, and Leon Gray -- I'm not sold, sorry. NamathG, while I can see a case for Mark Gastineau and maybe Joe Klecko, Joe Theismann has a relatively brief career and doesn't have the stats to warrant HoF election.

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  • JJ - January 11 2012 08:23 PM

    Senior noms for me Eddie Meador, Rams all-time leading interceptor,..Sonny Randle.. Cardinals..led NFL in td's for receivers during the 60's. Jim Marshall..played twenty years!..four super bowls. Billy Howton receiver Packers, Cowboys during 50's and 60's..look up his stats during an era of running backs. Hey Stanfil and Butler deserving but time for MORE senior picks.

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  • gary skyler - January 11 2012 03:40 PM

    long time raider fan , like terry bradshaw says what about ray

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  • BSmith78 - January 10 2012 03:02 PM

    Andre Reed's "Over The Middle" All Purpose Sauce should be the tipping point of getting that man in the Hall of Fame. His sauce is Outstanding!!! Any first ballot NFL HOF player with statistics like Andre Reed and an all purpose mopping sauce should be a no brainer. Go get em Andre, the Bills make me wanna shout!!!! In more ways than one ; )

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  • ABouwkamp - January 10 2012 10:52 AM

    Bettis? Not this year. Cortez Kennedy deserves it more(along with a couple others on the finalists list). Kennedy was snubbed last year too. If he had played as a Stealer, Cowpie,etc..He would have been in on his first nomination.

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  • NamathGuarantee - January 10 2012 04:34 AM

    There are three NFL GREAT who are very long overdue to be inducted. Joe Theismann (eligible for 20 years now!) and Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau (who held the NFL record for most sacks in a season from 1984 until 2001). C'MON GUYS!

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  • Rasputin - January 10 2012 12:16 AM

    Chuck Howley should be the top priority for the Senior Committee in the next cycle. One of the greatest OLBs of all time.

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  • Mtt Gaffney - January 09 2012 01:29 PM

    Dave Robinson, Green Bay Packers. He was the dominant outside linebacker on those great Lombardi Packer teams. He should've been inducted before Chris Hanburger.

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  • Shawn - January 09 2012 12:12 PM

    Jerome Bettis should get in (6th all time in rushing yards), which means Curtis Martin should have been in a long time ago (4th all time in rushing yards). Tim Brown (4th all time in receiving yards), Chris Carter (8th all time in receiving yards), Henry Ellard, Andre Reed, Jimmy Smith, and Irving Fryer should all be in if Art Monk and Charlie Joyner made it. Why can't the guys that deserve it get in and stop awards and honors like this one from just being popularity contests? If Bettis makes it in this year and Martin doesn't, then it will prove how much of a joke things like this have become. Martin had more in 2 less years, but he didn't have a nickname like 'The Bus' and play for a team that the NFL is in love with. There are a lot of other players that should already be in, but probably will never even make it as finalists.

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  • bachslunch - January 09 2012 08:12 AM

    Folks, many of the players being mentioned in comments are Senior eligible only, specifically Guy, Greenwood, Marshall, Kramer, Martin, Dowler, Robinson, Kuechenberg, and Tatum. They can't get elected via the regular route anymore. Leo Carlin is Director of Ticket Client Relations for Eagles, and while he's technically eligible via the regular route as a contributor, he'll get elected about the time hippos fly.

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  • bill slough - January 09 2012 07:20 AM

    What is the status of Philadelphia Eagles Leo Carlin entering the Hall?

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  • Patrick A. Cmmings - January 09 2012 01:29 AM

    What about the great Otis Taylor of the Kansas City Chiefs. If there is any wide receiver that belongs in the Hall of Fame, he does. Please don't wait until after he dies.

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  • Jimmy - January 08 2012 07:53 PM

    Cris Carter is one of the greatest wide receivers to ever play the game. It's ridiculous that players like Don Maynard, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Art Monk, and Mr. Overated Michael Irvin are in the hall of fame while Carter waits. Take a look at this guy's numbers they are sick. Let's get it right this year guys, Cris Carter should have been a first ballot hall of famer

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  • john dyitt - January 08 2012 04:52 PM

    chris doleman before l c greenwood, harvey martin or jim marshall? absolute joke!

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  • GiGi - January 08 2012 12:10 PM

    Why no Clay Matthews,Jr? He was great and gave it his all!!

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  • Kenneth E Downs Sr - January 08 2012 11:41 AM

    A HOF List without Joe Jacoby is nothing but a joke...THE BEST EVER at his position...

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  • Cosme - January 08 2012 11:04 AM

    Andre Reed should be elected into the Hall of Fame before Carter or Brown, though all three deserve enshrinement. Reed has been retired longer, his statistics are comparable and his teams accomplished more. Bill Parcells is a no-brainer. His coaching record, his coaching influence and his coaching progeney are superlative. Will Shields should be elected his first year of eligibility. He was the gold standard for guard play during his career - as was Jerry Kramer during his era, but this is a wrong the Old Timers committee needs to rectify next year. Charles Haley, the only FIVE time Super Bowl Champion in NFL history is a must choice; and because offensive linemean are so often neglected and ignored, Willie Roaf should also be put into the Hall, though EVERY one of the final fifteen deserve to be enshrined. Finally, Jack Butler and Dick Stanfel dominated their eras at their respective positions, should have been selected in the 1960's or '70's and should be elected forthwith. P.S. Don Harrison is correct! Boyd Dowler accomplished more in his era than Reed, Brown or Carter and should be in the Hall as well as Dave Robinson, one of the great outside linebackers in league history.

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  • Kathleen - January 08 2012 10:28 AM

    Go Jerome! Love that man!

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  • FAS1 - January 08 2012 07:42 AM

    What a joke!! Still no Kramer...and still no Kuechenberg!! You pro football writers need to get back in that conference room and get SERIOUS!!

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  • gary skyler - January 08 2012 01:49 AM

    ray guy ray guy

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  • don harrison - January 08 2012 12:40 AM

    How can the Hal continue to overlook these three players from the NFL's greatest dynasty, 1960s Packers: Jerry Kramer, no doubt one of the best guards in history and not in the Hall is an embarrassment; Dave Robinson, certainly the equal if not a better linebacker than Bobby Bell (Robinson played against better competition week in, week out than Bell before the merger); Boyd Dowler, just look at his numbers in a low-throwing era, durable, great hands.

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  • Jim - January 07 2012 11:35 PM

    CORTEZ KENNEDY. The TEZ REX earned his way into the Hall of Fame. Dominant numbers even though he was double-teamed most of his career. I can't believe he has been overlooked because of where he played. True Hall of Famer on and off the field.

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  • Jim - January 07 2012 11:35 PM

    CORTEZ KENNEDY. The TEZ REX earned his way into the Hall of Fame. Dominant numbers even though he was double-teamed most of his career. I can't believe he has been overlooked because of where he played. True Hall of Famer on and off the field.

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  • Gary Smith - January 07 2012 11:06 PM

    These would be my picks - the two guards, Dick Stanfil & Will Sheilds; tackle, Willie Roaf; center, Dermontti Dawson; receiver Chris Carter

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  • yanksfool - January 07 2012 10:40 PM

    Eddie Hunter, you want TD in the HOF for 3 great years? LOL, gimme a break.

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  • yanksfool - January 07 2012 10:40 PM

    Eddie Hunter, you want TD in the HOF for 3 great years? LOL, gimme a break.

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  • vic m - January 07 2012 08:08 PM

    i agree no doleman over l.c. or jim marshall,as for kevin greene,he has the sacks over clay matthews,hopefully martin and bettis both get in but i doubt it.are you kidding about terrell davis? too short a career! what about jack tatum? most feared player for his time.you can bet teams planned for him.

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  • mike smith - January 07 2012 08:07 PM

    k.greene SHOULD NEVER i repeat N-E-V-E-R be in H.O.F. !!!no player lays hands on a coach!!!

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  • Cindy - January 07 2012 07:12 PM

    It should be RAY GUY.

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  • Eddie Hunter - January 07 2012 05:50 PM

    Terrell Davis deserves to be in the Hall! Look at the man's accomplishments.

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  • Eddie Hunter - January 07 2012 05:43 PM

    Curtis Martin over Terrell Davis ? Really ? Elway and Davis need to be together !

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  • MedfordTim - January 07 2012 05:30 PM

    Roger Craig snubbed? He deserves to be next to Joe, Jerry, and Bill...

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  • Brian Dees - January 07 2012 04:56 PM

    Very disappointed to see Jerry Kramer neglected by the senior committee. It seems he continues to be snubbed because there are so many Packers from that era already in the HOF. Jerry deserves to be there.

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  • mark heacock - January 07 2012 04:39 PM

    Yeah for Chris Coleman :-D. I really hope he gets in ,on

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  • James Yarbrough - January 07 2012 04:33 PM

    CHARLES HALEY should be a No brainer,he should have gotten in last year. I hope the voters and committee get it right this time, as a former player I must say there as not been many player that can change the out come of a game like he did. CURTIS MARTIN nothing but a class act on and off the field most of all he played the game the way it was suppose to be played between the lines. He didn't talk he just played the game and at a very high level every week... Congrats to him he earn this opportunity hopefully they will get it right for him as well as for Charles this time lets see!!!

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  • Brownsrock - January 07 2012 03:17 PM

    Clay Mathews snubbed again. Ridiculus. Kevin Greene couldnt carry Clays jockstrap. I guess if your a loudmouth and tell everyone how good you are or do off the wall stuff, you get the recognition some one else deserves. Mathews quietly kicked butt every Sunday and was probably one of the top 3 linebackers during his era. But I guess everyone figures if Greene goes in, then the steelers in the HOF game would be a bigger draw than the Browns would. By the way, why does the hall wait to choose the HOF game teams until after the class is announced? $$$$$$$$$$. Go back to the old way and put a schedule out for the next 10 years so people can plan ahead. Later

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  • STEVE - January 07 2012 03:15 PM

    Congratulations to my favorite running back of all time! CURTIS MARTIN! You earned it brother! Congrat's!!

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  • bananajoe - January 07 2012 01:22 PM

    Carter will get snubbed again, garunteed

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